Dynamiser le parcours d’hypercroissance d’OAK + FORT avec Shopify et EY

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Hello everyone.

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How are you doing? Thanks so much for joining us today.

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My name is Brian Peterson.

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I'm a partner here at EY in Toronto

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and the host of our session, which is all about how EY

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and Shopify have come together to support Open Fort,

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a phenomenal apparel retailer based outta Vancouver, Canada,

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on their commerce transformation to Shopify, Shopify.

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Before we jump into

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what will undoubtedly be a very lively conversation,

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knowing this group, I would just like our panelists

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to quickly introduce themselves.

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It's Jen starting with you.

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Hello everyone. I'm Jen Pearson, vice president of IT

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and e-Commerce Solutions at Oak and Fort.

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I've been with the organization for three years,

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and my responsibilities include all tools

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and technology that enable our employees,

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and that is in stores, in warehouses,

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and of course in head office, as well as all of the tools

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that our customer facing, too.

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Excited to be here for the conversation,

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Steven.

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Awesome. Thanks Brian. Uh, pleasure to be here.

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And thanks to our internal teams, uh, Brian Gunn from EY

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and Kate from Shopify for getting all of this organized.

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It's a big production and we are

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certainly grateful and we appreciate it.

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Um, I've been at EY for close to five years.

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I spent my career designing, developing

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and delivering clever customer experiences

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that generate ROII started my career in 2001 in my parents'

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basement and then built a small

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but highly focused digital agency.

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And then in 2019 was acquired by EY to, along

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with my colleagues, Anthony Riley

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and w Zabi build out the National EY Design Studio.

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So I'm now a partner in the customer transformation

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practice, which brings together the work

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that I do in the studio along with everything

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that I'm passionate about,

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which is helping organizations build sustainable value

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and growth by making every touch point in the customer

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journey an exceptional one inside.

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And note.

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Thanks, Steven and Michael. Over to you.

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Hi everyone. I'm Michael ine.

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Uh, I'm in, also in Toronto,

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in my, in my basement right now.

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Speaking of basements. Uh, I've been

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with Shopify for five years.

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I'm a sales leader. Uh, I help big brands, small brands,

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medium sized brands, make commerce transformations

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specifically with the retail side of things, point of sale,

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uh, all things of that nature.

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Excited to be here.

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Thanks, the three of you. So a quick note to the audience.

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So over the past several months, the four

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of us have worked really closely together

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and quite honestly have become very fast friends.

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So although I have a list of very thoughtful

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and extremely provocative questions,

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I fully expect these guys to jump in with their own thoughts

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and with their own, uh, perspectives on things unprovoked.

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So though we have a great sort of idea where we're gonna go,

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the path to get there is gonna be a little bit dynamic

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over the next hour or so.

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So, with that, Jen, this is all about open Fort, one

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of my favorite Canadian apparel brands.

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Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about the company

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and some of the growth ambitions of the brand.

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My pleasure. Oken Fort was founded in Vancouver,

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British Columbia, Canada in 2010,

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and our founder, min Kang wanted to fill a gap that she

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and her friends were experiencing in the market.

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They wanted styles that were fashion forward.

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Well-made clothing with a minimalist aesthetic, and

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because they couldn't really find anything

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that met their needs, she decided

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that she was going to create it.

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The business has grown from a single location from 2010,

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and actually initially it was an e-Commerce first business

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than a single location in Gastown and now to 42 brick

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and mortar locations across Canada

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and the USA, the company's goals are really to marry

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that minimalist aesthetic with value

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and function delivering attainable

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luxury for all of our customers.

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And over the years, we are really proud

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to see the product offering grown, not just

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to be women's apparel,

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but also to be men's wear accessories, including jewelry

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and footwear and homeware as well.

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So the focus really is on trend, elegant, crisp designs,

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and really one of our core values is uniquely you, meaning

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our aim is to bri to provide something that is going

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to appeal to everyone that fits into their lifestyle.

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So, so Jen, uh, interesting that you guys started out

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as an, as an eComm brand.

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Um, I'm really curious if you could paint the picture a

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little bit for us around like

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how you historically looked at e-commerce

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and the path that led to you now sort

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of orchestrating a larger commerce

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transformation for OK Fort.

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Great question. I joined OK Fort just over three years

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ago, and one of the first things that I like

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to do when inheriting at techs snack is

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to perform a capability assessment.

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And when I did this, I learned very quickly

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that Oken Fort had implemented a combination of software

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as a service platforms and custom solutions.

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This really isn't atypical for a business

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that's just over a decade old.

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It was actually quite forward thinking at the time

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to be implementing SaaS

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or, uh, software as a service first as the architecture.

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and then developers would build tools around the tools

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that had been selected for cost efficiency.

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This was very efficient in terms of cost,

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at least initially, and it solved the problems of the day

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that they were met with.

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But this meant that because resources were scarce

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and, you know, Oak was entirely self-funded.

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These economical choices that made sense at the time

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also meant that the organization was

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incurring technical debt.

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And so as an e-comm leader

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and an IT leader, this is not something that you want

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to live with long-term, especially when it begins

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to obstruct the customer experience in

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your employee experiences too.

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So, um, and and how long were you sort

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of operating in in that dynamic?

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So if I think about, you know, you've been around

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for I think 12, 13 years now.

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Like how long has it been sort of from the start

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or when did you guys start to notice that that sort of

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what was working in the past was starting to,

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to not necessarily be effective?

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you know, vocal partners throughout the business

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that were willing to speak to the pain

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that they were experiencing.

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Um, the, the organization as a whole being

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around almost 15 years now, has gone through a couple

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of iterations, but the current platforms

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that are in place have been in place for about seven years,

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and they are well overdue to be replatformed,

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which is why we're on this journey.

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So really, if we go back to

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that initial capability assessment, it was clear

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that there was a fork in the road that Hadid reached

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and that technical debt demanded attention.

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The opportunity laid really not in just solving for the tech

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that was outdated and really over-engineered,

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but instead to address the pain points

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through the interviews that we did with the business

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and all of the observations

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that I was able to obtain firsthand.

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And was there specific things within, uh,

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just just your econ posture that were making that critical?

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I I kind of, you know, there's a point in time I guess,

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where you kind of reflect on the fact that kind

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of what's gotten you to

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where you are isn't necessarily gonna

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get you where you are going.

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So I'm wondering if there are, were two

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or three specific things that just were sort

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of the critical elements of, of having to rethink your,

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your e-comm posture generally,

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or maybe you can just paint

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the picture a little bit for us there.

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For sure. So in terms of, you know, e-commerce

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and our customer experience teams

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and what they're having to do to service the customer,

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they were encumbered by many, many manual processes.

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So things may seem seamless to the outsider,

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but for those who are part of the organization,

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a lot was done in spreadsheets.

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There's a lot of sort of manual catch up

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and managing of even things like inventory in order

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to make the orders and the experiences

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such as Omni-channel happen.

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Um, and you can't just keep adding more

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and more resources as your organization grows.

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You really have to have the right tools in place.

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Spending time in stores was also really, really eye-opening,

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which is why this is a commerce transformation

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for us of all channels.

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Our store associates practically have

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to become junior help desk managers,

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and they have to learn how to really address the technology.

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They're up to three different payment devices at each C

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desk, which is absolutely overkill.

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were not great.

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So these things really need to be addressed.

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No customer wants to be waiting in line,

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and no customer wants to be watching a little, uh,

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icon spin on their computer as they wanna place an order.

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So Steven, we're gonna get you in a, in just a minute, uh,

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around, you know, some of the work that we do here at EY

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with respect to the Design studio and e-com more generally.

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But, you know, at this point in time, I think, you know,

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we had met Jen, uh, we went to to Vancouver, spent some time

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with her to, to understand sort of some

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of the things that she was just talking about.

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I would love, Steven, if you don't mind providing a little

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bit of perspective, like an outside in perspective.

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We came in, started to, to talk

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to Jen about state, you know, state of things.

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We started to kind of do some light discovery, you know,

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what were some of your observations if, if you can recall,

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uh, when we started to think about

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how we could potentially support, uh, open for?

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Yeah, I think, um, in our, in our first call, Jen, we,

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I don't even think we talked much about technology, which,

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you know, might be the expectation in a lot

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of opening conversations.

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Um, I, you know, I was doing my best

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and Brian, you know, we were doing our best

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to understand really like

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how your organization was thinking about this kind

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of project and was asking more questions

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around the business processes

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and who was bought in, you know, in most migrations

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or transformations like this, the,

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the technology can be the easier part.

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It's that impact to people

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and process that can really be challenging if it's really

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not discussed upfront.

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Um, and so I, I know that there was this moment

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that will always stick with me when, you know,

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after that exchange, when we were in Vancouver, you had, uh,

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you had said, you know, you're the first company

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that has spoken about migration in this way.

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Thank you. And, you know, from that conversation to now,

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our relationship has been characterized by

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real conversations about challenges

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and ways to solve them collaboratively.

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So I think this notion is the reason why we wanted

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to come out to Vancouver early on and see you and,

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and talk more about

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how you saw this project working the buy-in

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and the why behind it.

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Um, some of what came outta that lunch was an understanding

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that perhaps not everyone in the organization was aware of

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how the business operates can have an outsize impact on the

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ability to replatform successfully.

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So hearing stories about

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how others have done it successfully, you know,

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from a conference feels a little more

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like confirmation bias.

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But you always have to recognize that how ev

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that every business operates differently

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and what worked for one may not necessarily work

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for another, which is why we did those, you know,

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but b, to start getting an understanding of how unique

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or typical your business processes were at Oak

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and Fort, um, from the time when a product is ready

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for sale, all the way to returns and exchanges

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technology design integrations,

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and I think probably most importantly, change management.

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how the organization was gonna be impacted across the board

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with that broad lens allowed all of us

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to really de-risk the project significantly.

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we had a good sense that Shopify would be a great fit

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we had been talking about Open Fort and,

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and talking about how to collaborate together to,

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to really support you, Jen, and, and your and your company.

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because, you know, you had started conversations

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and some of the, the challenges that that,

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that Shopify was sort of uniquely qualified to,

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to be solving, uh, you know, again, outside of EY and,

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and just more directly in terms of your interactions

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with Open for, if you can recall.

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to Shopify for almost a year plus, uh, just kind

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of evaluating if this is gonna make sense,

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that they were be able to sell e-commerce,

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retail marketplaces, et cetera, um,

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their backend in infrastructure wasn't in a place

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that they could effectively utilize any data

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or learnings from those, those tech stacks.

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development integrations, upkeep, bug fixes,

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versus focusing on the initiatives that they had outlined

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and aspire to do for so long.

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that is a direct fit into what we can do.

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pickup in store, or endless aisle,

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or have one customer profile.

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that this would only magnify their current challenges

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and create future ones.

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of growth initiatives, that's Shopify's bread and butter,

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and that's when we came, uh, to, to the, to the plate.

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That's great. So, and we're gonna get Michael to,

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a little bit more directly in just a minute.

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Um, can you just walk back and,

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and talk to us a little bit about the EY Design studio,

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the work that we do, uh, as well

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as paint a picture a little bit about

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how EY typically engages with clients like OK,

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Confort on transformations such as this.

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Sure. Um, so the Design Studio really is a,

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a multidisciplinary team dedicated to creating

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remarkable experiences at scale

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with a laser focus on generating return on investment.

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Um, so we're a national end-to-end in terms of delivery.

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Uh, we've got product ownership to product strategy,

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helping clients develop their strategy

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as they enter new markets, or find new audiences

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and uncover what makes them tick, and then design

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and develop and deploy these exceptional experiences.

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Um, and we do it a across the board.

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product strategy, uh, technologists, uh, everything

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that you could need to develop an idea

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or an experience at scale.

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We've got that capability through our national practice.

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the customer, uh, area of, of, uh, our competency

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and we have, um, a sister competency with MSS,

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so marketing, sales, and service.

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that customer transformation practice,

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we not only have the capabilities

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to deliver those experiences needed from the studio,

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but with our di with our disciplines within marketing, sales

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and services, we really have the ability

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to help organizations meet their future growth ambitions

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by making sure that every aspect of the organization,

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from marketing services, service sales, um,

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digital commerce pricing is all anchored around the customer

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to deliver, you know, what I think is the beating heart of

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every organization,

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and that is to generate lifetime value

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through a connected customer experience.

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a better way of organizations meeting their future, um,

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and then produce the strategy for that,

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and then build the experiences and then augment, elevate,

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and enhance those experiences throughout

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the lifetime of the organization.

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And can you talk a bit about, uh, just how,

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how EY looks at transformation?

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Uh, again, really wanna talk about, um, so the work

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that we do with Jen and open for even just

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outside of core implementation.

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how you look at, uh, at

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commerce transformations more generally.

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how the entire business operates and where bottlenecks

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or points of friction for the both the employee

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and the customer experience exists, we tend to go

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beyond just the front end design of a commerce channel.

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to profitability in e-commerce is not about just the

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storefront and the ability to take a payment,

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it's the way in which the organization operates across

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product planning, merchandising, marketing, selling,

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fulfillment, and servicing.

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to be disrupted in a big project like this, working

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with a partner that sees the big picture

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and has the resources, the experience

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and the capabilities to really sort of wrap their arms

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around the full project

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and be really honest about the challenges ahead, it helps

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to cement trust and rally the team.

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to make something like this successful,

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it's not just about changing the logo on the tech stack, um,

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it's really a team sport.

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before, when everyone has been operating a certain way for

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so long, it's easy to think, you know, this is fine, like,

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the way we're going is fine.

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Um, but big decisions from all areas of the business,

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you know, are eventually going to be need to be made

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around things like inventory setup.

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for e-comm only is required,

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and that's gonna require reconfiguration on both the ERP

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and the warehouse, which is gonna impact supply

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chain in the logistics team.

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to have authorization

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and capture of the credit card in the way that you operated

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before and transitioning

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to often capture at the same time at a point of purchase,

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this is gonna impact the way the finance team operates

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and how reporting is done, replacing where images are stored

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and merchandise impacts the product design team.

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So fundamentally changing the returns

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and exchange process impacts the in-store retail team

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as well as the back office CX team, fraud tax systems,

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customer case management, the list goes on, like the,

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there isn't one aspect of the organization

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that isn't impacted, which is why we're so well positioned

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to bring a team together that can tackle what people think

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of immediately as the big challenge, the, the storefront,

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but also what some tend to overlook, um,

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which is the business continuity

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and the change management work streams

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that truly make this successful on launch day.

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And also knowing how the platforms can be molded

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and bent and fit to how an organization wants

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to do business in their future state.

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to our discovery sessions,

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but also in all our conversations with executive leadership,

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um, the story that though you've been operating a certain

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way for so long, the change

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that this will bring ab bring about even the smallest

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change, can feel a little uncomfortable,

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and you need a partner that will keep showing up

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with the ways to make the complexity

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of this feel way less so.

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So, Jen, I, I see you nodding.

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Um, as, uh, as Steven Wa was sort of talking a bit about

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how we think about transformations, um,

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what's it like to work with us?

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I'd love, I'd love, you know, just love sort

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of your perspective on what it's like to work with Edey and,

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and what it's like to work within the context of our, uh,

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alliance with, with Shopify.

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Maybe just in your own words, what, what, what has the last

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God four months or so been like for you?

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It has been fantastic.

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I have to say that it was evident from our first meeting

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that this would be a different relationship

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because you really took the time to understand

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what the business objectives were, understand

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what our vision was, even kind of co-op it out of the rest

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of the executive team, because this is not just an

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e-commerce re platform or a point of sale re platform.

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This is transformative for the business exactly.

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As Steven articulated, the right partner makes such a

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difference, they can accelerate the journey.

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Selecting technology, in my opinion,

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is almost the easiest decision.

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It's how you go about implementing it to make sure

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that you're going to meet your business objectives

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and that it's adopted is what really matters.

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So I was incredibly excited

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to learn about the EY Shopify Alliance.

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It matches experienced implementers

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with the most exciting commerce platform on the market.

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And I could not be happier to have partners

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that really understand what my business is going to come up,

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up, up with as challenges as we begin to re-platform

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and rip out tools, because we do have

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to be thinking about the client experience.

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We have to be thinking about how we merchandise today

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and how we're going to be merchandising tomorrow,

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where we wanna store images.

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All of the details that Steven spoke about,

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and we got into the nitty gritty.

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with the overall understanding

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that the EY design studio even had

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of the Shopify app ecosystem in order to give us an idea of

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what kind of tools we could choose to plug in to make sure

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that everything ran as smooth as possibly as well.

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You know, prior to undertaking this initiative,

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we had lengthy, lengthy discoveries.

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You all spent time with my teams, the executive team, um,

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and you really learned how that business functions so

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that all of our requirements could be met.

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And it really reinforced the approach with everyone

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and what to expect.

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And I think that that was the first step on our change

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management journey as well.

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Um, and I will definitely say that in addition to all

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of your technical expertise, you have been a champion

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for our customers and our employees.

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So you've really thought about

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how is this transformation going

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to impact everyone involved?

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You've supported us by doing experience blueprinting

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and coaching our teams on its applications

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so they can truly understand what this is going to do

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for them in their day to day.

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And also developed a change program that is going

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to allow us to make sure that nothing is a surprise.

516
00:21:31.285 --> 00:21:33.605
People will understand what they need to do

517
00:21:33.985 --> 00:21:36.645
as we go from day zero to day one.

518
00:21:37.065 --> 00:21:38.965
Um, the transformation is gonna impact all areas

519
00:21:38.965 --> 00:21:41.685
of the business, but because the design studio has been

520
00:21:41.685 --> 00:21:44.765
so immersed in the project, they've really been able

521
00:21:44.765 --> 00:21:46.365
to get three steps ahead

522
00:21:46.465 --> 00:21:48.365
and make sure that leaders that haven't been

523
00:21:48.365 --> 00:21:49.965
through these types of transformations

524
00:21:49.965 --> 00:21:53.085
before know what to expect and feel truly supported.

525
00:21:53.225 --> 00:21:56.125
So it's been a very different and fantastic relationship.

526
00:21:57.165 --> 00:21:58.255
Okay. And for, for the audience,

527
00:21:58.255 --> 00:22:02.055
that was not a scripted response, that was, uh, I,

528
00:22:02.115 --> 00:22:03.135
I'm assuming that's right from the

529
00:22:03.135 --> 00:22:04.295
heart, so thanks Jen for that.

530
00:22:04.355 --> 00:22:06.895
So that's, uh, a great kind words, and,

531
00:22:07.195 --> 00:22:08.855
and I think I, I know, uh, absolutely

532
00:22:08.855 --> 00:22:11.015
that UI feels the same about Open Fort, um,

533
00:22:11.205 --> 00:22:13.055
Michael o over to you a little bit.

534
00:22:13.155 --> 00:22:17.375
Um, you know, Shopify, uh, you know, two years ago,

535
00:22:18.035 --> 00:22:20.855
uh, really started to make a push into the enterprise.

536
00:22:20.875 --> 00:22:21.935
And so I would love to

537
00:22:22.075 --> 00:22:23.775
to get your perspective a little bit on, on

538
00:22:23.775 --> 00:22:27.175
how Shopify looks at, uh, commerce transformations

539
00:22:27.525 --> 00:22:30.335
with respects to enterprise clients specifically, you know,

540
00:22:30.355 --> 00:22:32.375
as this is really gonna be, uh, um,

541
00:22:32.395 --> 00:22:34.295
or is already a, a major part of sort

542
00:22:34.295 --> 00:22:35.455
of Shopify's growth strategy as well.

543
00:22:35.455 --> 00:22:38.055
So maybe a few words on how you look at, uh,

544
00:22:38.055 --> 00:22:39.175
e-commerce transformations.

545
00:22:39.175 --> 00:22:40.215
How are you looking at enterprise?

546
00:22:40.685 --> 00:22:42.655
Yeah, you got it. And it's so funny

547
00:22:42.655 --> 00:22:45.175
because when, when businesses, they start to say, we want

548
00:22:45.175 --> 00:22:47.135
to go up market, we wanna have enterprise clients,

549
00:22:47.155 --> 00:22:49.575
that's a typically a conscious strategy

550
00:22:49.675 --> 00:22:51.815
and maybe not the best product market fit,

551
00:22:51.815 --> 00:22:54.295
but like with us, it, it's no longer just a strategy,

552
00:22:54.325 --> 00:22:56.175
it's truly just a market fit.

553
00:22:56.475 --> 00:22:58.175
Um, this is hot off the press, actually,

554
00:22:58.255 --> 00:22:59.695
I think we just got it like an hour ago,

555
00:22:59.715 --> 00:23:03.455
but Shopify was named a leader in the IDC Marketscape Report

556
00:23:03.455 --> 00:23:05.415
for Enterprises, meaning that we're a leader

557
00:23:05.435 --> 00:23:07.495
for enterprises over 500 million looking

558
00:23:07.515 --> 00:23:09.495
for an e-commerce platform, um,

559
00:23:09.495 --> 00:23:11.055
which is amazing, so happy to hear that.

560
00:23:11.395 --> 00:23:13.095
Uh, but in terms of like the narratives,

561
00:23:13.095 --> 00:23:14.455
it's a tale as old as time.

562
00:23:14.455 --> 00:23:15.695
I've been here for five years,

563
00:23:16.035 --> 00:23:18.295
it never gets old enterprise retailers

564
00:23:18.315 --> 00:23:21.735
who have long been on archaic solutions, who at the time

565
00:23:22.295 --> 00:23:23.295
probably was the only solution

566
00:23:23.295 --> 00:23:25.535
that could manage a business of that scale.

567
00:23:26.035 --> 00:23:27.655
Um, but we're seeing time and time again

568
00:23:27.655 --> 00:23:29.015
that those systems can't adapt.

569
00:23:29.125 --> 00:23:31.455
They're costly, the updates take forever,

570
00:23:31.875 --> 00:23:33.735
and they just can't change at the pace

571
00:23:33.875 --> 00:23:35.255
of which commerce is moving today.

572
00:23:35.635 --> 00:23:38.375
So with Shopify, we're seeing enterprise retailers migrating

573
00:23:38.375 --> 00:23:40.855
at a crazy clip for flexibility,

574
00:23:41.175 --> 00:23:42.775
scalability, time to launch.

575
00:23:42.995 --> 00:23:46.405
Uh, we've seen enterprise brands launch a brand new store in

576
00:23:46.405 --> 00:23:48.565
seven days, I think is the, the, the number lately

577
00:23:48.945 --> 00:23:50.645
and the total cost of ownership compared

578
00:23:50.645 --> 00:23:52.045
to these archaic solutions is night

579
00:23:52.045 --> 00:23:54.725
and day, um, all of that through unified platform.

580
00:23:54.995 --> 00:23:57.365
This is the baseline for any current challenges

581
00:23:57.665 --> 00:23:58.845
and future growth goals.

582
00:23:59.025 --> 00:24:01.205
So yeah, we're loving seeing, we're loving, we're loving

583
00:24:01.205 --> 00:24:03.125
what we're seeing in the enterprise space so far.

584
00:24:04.105 --> 00:24:05.565
So Michael, you, you mentioned, uh,

585
00:24:05.565 --> 00:24:07.565
or you, you said the word unified, which is,

586
00:24:07.565 --> 00:24:10.405
which is a great segue into sort of the, the next area

587
00:24:10.435 --> 00:24:12.965
that I would love to drill into, which is this idea of,

588
00:24:12.985 --> 00:24:15.965
of unified commerce, which is, you know, something

589
00:24:15.965 --> 00:24:19.085
that we talk a lot about within ey, uh, is also a,

590
00:24:19.125 --> 00:24:21.365
a major part of how Shopify's looking at,

591
00:24:21.465 --> 00:24:22.645
at their growth strategies.

592
00:24:22.645 --> 00:24:26.165
Well, Michael, could you for us define, you know,

593
00:24:26.165 --> 00:24:28.245
what unified commerce is, you know,

594
00:24:28.265 --> 00:24:29.725
and how it's different perhaps from,

595
00:24:29.725 --> 00:24:31.205
from omnichannel selling?

596
00:24:31.565 --> 00:24:34.085
I, I think is sort of, uh, a term that, that most

597
00:24:34.085 --> 00:24:36.085
of us would be, would be more familiar with,

598
00:24:36.545 --> 00:24:37.545
For sure. Yeah, the last couple

599
00:24:37.545 --> 00:24:37.885
years,

600
00:24:37.945 --> 00:24:40.805
all you've heard is omnichannel, omnichannel, omnichannel,

601
00:24:41.065 --> 00:24:42.965
um, if I had to sum it up, in my opinion,

602
00:24:43.275 --> 00:24:45.965
it's essentially the ability to sell on all channels.

603
00:24:46.395 --> 00:24:48.685
It's prioritizing the customer experience

604
00:24:48.685 --> 00:24:51.965
between online retail marketplaces, B2B.

605
00:24:52.265 --> 00:24:54.205
And while that benefits has so many benefits

606
00:24:54.205 --> 00:24:55.925
for the customers in terms of like gift cards,

607
00:24:56.155 --> 00:24:57.525
loyalty points, returns

608
00:24:57.545 --> 00:25:00.485
and exchanges, it has a lot of challenges

609
00:25:00.505 --> 00:25:01.645
for the actual retailer.

610
00:25:02.225 --> 00:25:04.485
So that's essentially the first step into commerce.

611
00:25:04.485 --> 00:25:05.685
That's like the baseline you,

612
00:25:05.745 --> 00:25:07.165
you have to have in this day and age.

613
00:25:07.505 --> 00:25:08.805
But to take it one step further,

614
00:25:09.145 --> 00:25:10.365
you have to unify everything.

615
00:25:10.365 --> 00:25:12.205
And that's, that's my definition of unified commerce.

616
00:25:12.555 --> 00:25:15.485
It's unifying the backend systems, consolidating the data

617
00:25:15.545 --> 00:25:18.725
for retailers like Jen so they can make decisions

618
00:25:18.725 --> 00:25:21.405
that ultimately grow the business, understand behaviors,

619
00:25:21.425 --> 00:25:24.925
trends, learnings, um, and it's not just customers.

620
00:25:24.925 --> 00:25:26.405
It's inventory, it's reporting,

621
00:25:26.435 --> 00:25:28.165
it's payments, it's everything.

622
00:25:28.185 --> 00:25:30.885
So instead of reconciling all of your various channels,

623
00:25:31.035 --> 00:25:33.165
it's all in one place, unified, if you will.

624
00:25:34.105 --> 00:25:37.645
And can you also talk a bit about, um, point of sale

625
00:25:37.755 --> 00:25:38.965
with respect to Shopify as well?

626
00:25:39.085 --> 00:25:41.605
I think point of sale is obviously a, a key part

627
00:25:41.605 --> 00:25:44.405
of unified commerce as we think about really extending

628
00:25:44.635 --> 00:25:45.965
Shopify or sort of

629
00:25:46.585 --> 00:25:49.125
the commerce strategy from e-comm to brick and mortar.

630
00:25:49.145 --> 00:25:50.645
So maybe you could talk a bit about, uh,

631
00:25:50.645 --> 00:25:52.205
Shopify's perspective on point of sale and,

632
00:25:52.205 --> 00:25:54.485
and how that fits into the unified commerce, uh, strategy.

633
00:25:55.115 --> 00:25:57.125
Yeah, uh, I actually, I'm on the point of sale team,

634
00:25:57.125 --> 00:25:58.845
so I'm, I'm happy to talk about that, uh,

635
00:25:58.845 --> 00:25:59.925
until the cows come home.

636
00:26:00.385 --> 00:26:02.805
Um, I think, I think in long, there's two different types

637
00:26:02.805 --> 00:26:03.925
of, of retailers, let's say.

638
00:26:03.925 --> 00:26:05.845
There's, there's the digitally native, we call it,

639
00:26:05.855 --> 00:26:08.805
where it's brands who are born online, um,

640
00:26:08.805 --> 00:26:10.805
they've had an amazing run of success,

641
00:26:10.825 --> 00:26:13.085
and then they want to expand into the retail

642
00:26:13.295 --> 00:26:14.645
world and vice versa.

643
00:26:14.645 --> 00:26:15.885
There's born on retail

644
00:26:15.945 --> 00:26:18.845
and then have ultimately come online later in their journey,

645
00:26:19.345 --> 00:26:20.485
um, with the point of sale.

646
00:26:20.835 --> 00:26:23.805
With, with technology in general, those two types

647
00:26:23.805 --> 00:26:26.365
of merchants have had barriers into

648
00:26:26.365 --> 00:26:27.445
expanding their business.

649
00:26:27.535 --> 00:26:28.925
Maybe they don't have the technology in

650
00:26:28.925 --> 00:26:30.085
place to go brick and mortar.

651
00:26:30.085 --> 00:26:31.605
They don't have the inventory, the reporting,

652
00:26:32.185 --> 00:26:33.285
if they're retail first,

653
00:26:33.345 --> 00:26:35.285
how can they grow online while still having

654
00:26:35.285 --> 00:26:36.605
that retail footprint?

655
00:26:36.985 --> 00:26:40.645
So having a unified platform in the backend fits both, both,

656
00:26:40.865 --> 00:26:42.445
uh, merchant or customer types.

657
00:26:43.025 --> 00:26:45.645
Um, and that way your plans, whether they're known

658
00:26:45.665 --> 00:26:48.285
or unknown, like you have the technology in place so

659
00:26:48.285 --> 00:26:50.245
that your growth is, is unbound.

660
00:26:50.785 --> 00:26:52.605
Um, can I speak, go ahead, Steven.

661
00:26:52.965 --> 00:26:54.485
I was, I was carry on Michael,

662
00:26:54.505 --> 00:26:56.925
but, um, I, I was gonna jump in on your comment on,

663
00:26:56.945 --> 00:26:57.965
on retail only.

664
00:26:58.045 --> 00:27:00.085
I, I think it's a, uh, like bricks

665
00:27:00.085 --> 00:27:02.365
and mortars, it's a good topic to dive into

666
00:27:02.365 --> 00:27:05.565
and why unified is, is terribly important. Um,

667
00:27:05.785 --> 00:27:06.785
Do it.

668
00:27:07.225 --> 00:27:11.365
The, I I think what has been happening over, you know,

669
00:27:11.525 --> 00:27:14.485
a number of years and certainly exacerbated by by Covid I,

670
00:27:15.025 --> 00:27:17.045
is that, you know, traditional bricks

671
00:27:17.045 --> 00:27:20.485
and mortar retailers have had a much easier time

672
00:27:20.825 --> 00:27:22.645
to manage the data

673
00:27:22.905 --> 00:27:25.405
and the decisions that they need to manage.

674
00:27:26.065 --> 00:27:30.765
Um, their primary channel for sales was an owned channel.

675
00:27:30.875 --> 00:27:33.605
It's in their store, they're seeing customers every day.

676
00:27:33.985 --> 00:27:38.685
But with the explosion of so many different channels

677
00:27:39.015 --> 00:27:41.925
where people can buy your products from,

678
00:27:42.035 --> 00:27:44.645
whether it's marketplace or social media

679
00:27:45.225 --> 00:27:50.125
or you know, digital, it now has created this massive, uh,

680
00:27:50.435 --> 00:27:55.045
ecosystem where retailers who were traditionally bricks

681
00:27:55.045 --> 00:27:59.365
and mortar now have to build out an entire organization just

682
00:27:59.385 --> 00:28:01.285
to manage these disparate channels

683
00:28:01.285 --> 00:28:02.685
and the data that comes with it,

684
00:28:02.985 --> 00:28:06.605
and identify where is product velocity going,

685
00:28:07.025 --> 00:28:10.005
how do we manage the planning process just

686
00:28:10.005 --> 00:28:12.045
because we now have this fragmented

687
00:28:12.145 --> 00:28:16.605
and massively, uh, blown out ecosystem

688
00:28:16.635 --> 00:28:18.205
that we are now selling on.

689
00:28:18.785 --> 00:28:21.325
And when you're talking Omni,

690
00:28:21.705 --> 00:28:24.605
you're talking about the backend systems of all

691
00:28:24.605 --> 00:28:28.245
of those different fragmented channels, whereas unified,

692
00:28:29.675 --> 00:28:30.695
the, the, the promise

693
00:28:30.715 --> 00:28:33.135
or the, the hope is that all of

694
00:28:33.135 --> 00:28:36.535
that data filters right back into one single source of truth

695
00:28:37.185 --> 00:28:39.455
where all the organization wants

696
00:28:39.455 --> 00:28:43.215
to do in the first place is just make better decisions about

697
00:28:43.215 --> 00:28:46.375
their future from one set of data

698
00:28:46.605 --> 00:28:47.935
that is telling them the truth.

699
00:28:49.855 --> 00:28:51.755
You nailed it. Yeah, you absolutely nailed it.

700
00:28:52.135 --> 00:28:55.395
Um, and I think, you know, as, as you know, data and,

701
00:28:55.395 --> 00:28:57.555
and first pretty data with marketing becomes more

702
00:28:57.555 --> 00:29:00.875
and more challenging with all the, you know, iPhone, uh,

703
00:29:00.875 --> 00:29:02.435
privacy and, and stuff like that.

704
00:29:02.435 --> 00:29:05.115
Like this data is more valuable than it's ever been.

705
00:29:05.575 --> 00:29:06.955
So to have a system

706
00:29:06.955 --> 00:29:08.755
where you maybe don't have the holistic view

707
00:29:08.755 --> 00:29:10.235
of everything is like putting yourself

708
00:29:10.535 --> 00:29:12.715
behind the cart wherever saying is.

709
00:29:12.815 --> 00:29:14.035
So you nailed it, Steven.

710
00:29:14.155 --> 00:29:16.035
I think that you could have summed up my entire part with

711
00:29:16.035 --> 00:29:17.275
that one sentence, so thank you.

712
00:29:17.815 --> 00:29:19.915
Hey, and, and Michael, maybe, um, you know,

713
00:29:19.915 --> 00:29:22.195
we were talking a little bit about some of the functionality

714
00:29:22.705 --> 00:29:25.595
that Shopify is releasing that, uh, really brings

715
00:29:25.595 --> 00:29:28.115
to life some of what Steven was talking about and,

716
00:29:28.215 --> 00:29:30.555
and some of the, um, you know,

717
00:29:30.555 --> 00:29:32.195
value propositions around unified commerce.

718
00:29:32.195 --> 00:29:34.075
Do you, do you wanna talk a bit about sort of some

719
00:29:34.075 --> 00:29:35.435
of the things that Shopify is doing in this area?

720
00:29:35.825 --> 00:29:38.235
Yeah, I mean, I can, I can speak to one thing specifically

721
00:29:38.235 --> 00:29:41.115
that I think is launching maybe today, maybe soon.

722
00:29:41.705 --> 00:29:43.445
Um, so, you know, if you go into a brick

723
00:29:43.445 --> 00:29:45.925
and mortar store, classic, uh, the,

724
00:29:45.985 --> 00:29:47.805
the cash register is like, Hey, what's your profile?

725
00:29:47.805 --> 00:29:50.125
What's your email? You type it out, it's one

726
00:29:50.125 --> 00:29:53.005
of your grade eight emails that has like, asterisks

727
00:29:53.005 --> 00:29:54.765
and 60 nines in it and stuff like that.

728
00:29:54.825 --> 00:29:56.445
And it's, it's, it's a long process.

729
00:29:56.715 --> 00:30:00.125
It's, Jen mentioned, um, there's a long line of people.

730
00:30:00.505 --> 00:30:02.445
So what Shopify has done is we came up

731
00:30:02.445 --> 00:30:04.685
with something called email capture at checkout.

732
00:30:04.995 --> 00:30:07.125
What that does is it takes customer's,

733
00:30:07.125 --> 00:30:08.885
data anonymous customers

734
00:30:09.065 --> 00:30:11.165
and maps it back to our Shop pay network.

735
00:30:11.665 --> 00:30:14.725
So that system that you have in the backend is unifying your

736
00:30:14.725 --> 00:30:16.125
entire business between online

737
00:30:16.425 --> 00:30:18.645
and the store without you having to do anything.

738
00:30:19.145 --> 00:30:21.485
Um, so if you are, go ahead, Ryan. Yeah,

739
00:30:21.485 --> 00:30:23.125
Sorry, Mike, maybe for that, um,

740
00:30:23.135 --> 00:30:24.365
maybe just take two seconds

741
00:30:24.465 --> 00:30:26.365
and talk about Shop Pay and, and what that is.

742
00:30:26.995 --> 00:30:30.725
Sure. So Shop Pay is an accelerated checkout.

743
00:30:31.065 --> 00:30:34.005
Um, any of, all of our Shopify merchants have the ability

744
00:30:34.005 --> 00:30:35.725
to offer Shop pay on their website.

745
00:30:36.105 --> 00:30:38.605
And if I'm a customer and I've shopped at Store one,

746
00:30:38.605 --> 00:30:41.245
and I put my information in with a credit card, if I go

747
00:30:41.245 --> 00:30:44.405
to a brand new Shopify store that has never, I've never been

748
00:30:44.405 --> 00:30:47.725
to in my entire life, my information is already saved from

749
00:30:47.725 --> 00:30:49.405
being a Shopify customer somewhere else.

750
00:30:49.825 --> 00:30:52.645
And that way the conversion is two clicks in and out,

751
00:30:53.025 --> 00:30:55.325
and then my customer data is available

752
00:30:55.325 --> 00:30:57.845
to all Shopify merchants for marketing

753
00:30:57.985 --> 00:31:01.085
and, uh, first party data and stuff like that.

754
00:31:01.185 --> 00:31:04.725
So having that network of Shopify Custo customers

755
00:31:04.725 --> 00:31:07.245
for Shopify stores is an incredible advantage

756
00:31:07.245 --> 00:31:08.605
to Shopify, uh, clients.

757
00:31:09.105 --> 00:31:10.685
So essentially what you're saying is, um,

758
00:31:11.145 --> 00:31:15.045
you are now bringing Shop Pay directly into

759
00:31:15.605 --> 00:31:17.045
a brick and mortar store

760
00:31:17.425 --> 00:31:21.525
and allowing customers who are transacting with Shopify POS

761
00:31:21.945 --> 00:31:24.685
to actually be part of that shop pay ecosystem.

762
00:31:24.785 --> 00:31:25.925
Is that, that's sort of the

763
00:31:26.035 --> 00:31:27.085
Yeah, that's, that's correct.

764
00:31:27.105 --> 00:31:28.245
And then PE Jen's, Jen

765
00:31:28.245 --> 00:31:30.965
and her team can go back into their backend, see

766
00:31:30.965 --> 00:31:33.085
who their customers are, their, their behaviors,

767
00:31:33.085 --> 00:31:34.725
their trends, their geolocation,

768
00:31:35.065 --> 00:31:37.405
and that way they can build marketing campaigns against it.

769
00:31:37.425 --> 00:31:39.605
So massive, massive win for,

770
00:31:39.665 --> 00:31:41.125
for first party data in marketing.

771
00:31:42.065 --> 00:31:46.045
So, so Jen, um, you know, obviously you're already aware

772
00:31:46.045 --> 00:31:47.605
of all of this because we talk about it, uh,

773
00:31:47.775 --> 00:31:50.005
quite extensively as we think about the future of,

774
00:31:50.145 --> 00:31:51.925
of commerce for Open Fort.

775
00:31:52.225 --> 00:31:54.765
Um, maybe just keeping with the unified commerce, uh,

776
00:31:54.765 --> 00:31:57.165
conversation, you know, what, what's, how, how,

777
00:31:57.185 --> 00:31:58.965
how is Open Fort looking at Unified Commerce?

778
00:31:59.745 --> 00:32:02.165
How are you seeing, um, you know, the,

779
00:32:02.225 --> 00:32:04.605
the potential really bring to life some

780
00:32:04.605 --> 00:32:05.725
of the growth ambitions that,

781
00:32:05.755 --> 00:32:07.125
that you talked about earlier on in

782
00:32:07.145 --> 00:32:08.205
the, in the conversation?

783
00:32:08.915 --> 00:32:12.925
Yeah, our, our omnichannels really are siloed channels

784
00:32:12.925 --> 00:32:15.405
that have been patched together in order

785
00:32:15.425 --> 00:32:17.965
to create this omnichannel experience.

786
00:32:18.265 --> 00:32:21.445
So for us, unified commerce actually means creating a more

787
00:32:21.765 --> 00:32:23.565
seamless experience for both our customers

788
00:32:23.565 --> 00:32:24.645
and our employees as well.

789
00:32:25.065 --> 00:32:27.325
And if we think about even just the shop app

790
00:32:27.325 --> 00:32:28.525
that we're going to have available

791
00:32:28.975 --> 00:32:31.165
where we can be discovered by customers

792
00:32:31.165 --> 00:32:34.005
that maybe don't know us yet, this is already giving us a,

793
00:32:34.125 --> 00:32:36.005
a leg ahead where we're going to be able

794
00:32:36.005 --> 00:32:37.165
to reach so many more people.

795
00:32:37.665 --> 00:32:41.405
Um, app development is something that is often talked about,

796
00:32:41.405 --> 00:32:43.725
like, when should a business decide if they want

797
00:32:43.725 --> 00:32:45.405
to make their own proprietary app?

798
00:32:45.665 --> 00:32:47.805
Unless you have some sort of value add

799
00:32:47.805 --> 00:32:51.125
that makes it worthwhile, there is no real reason,

800
00:32:51.305 --> 00:32:53.365
but Shop App gives you this extra reach

801
00:32:53.385 --> 00:32:55.325
and also provides a lot of the same experiences

802
00:32:55.325 --> 00:32:56.725
where you can do notifications,

803
00:32:57.405 --> 00:32:59.245
customers can get push updates on their

804
00:32:59.245 --> 00:33:00.405
orders once they place them.

805
00:33:00.665 --> 00:33:02.765
So all of this starts to create this really seamless

806
00:33:02.775 --> 00:33:04.165
experience, and that's some of

807
00:33:04.165 --> 00:33:05.605
what we're really, really excited about.

808
00:33:07.425 --> 00:33:10.885
That's great. So, um, we have, uh,

809
00:33:10.905 --> 00:33:13.445
we have some questions coming in, so I wanna, I wanna get

810
00:33:13.445 --> 00:33:14.605
to the questions in, in just a minute.

811
00:33:14.745 --> 00:33:17.925
So a little bit of, sort of some, some final thinking,

812
00:33:17.925 --> 00:33:20.805
some final thoughts, um, from, from the, from the panel.

813
00:33:20.905 --> 00:33:24.045
So, so Jen, obviously this is a big, uh,

814
00:33:24.275 --> 00:33:27.765
this is a big program for Open Fort specifically around,

815
00:33:28.185 --> 00:33:30.125
you know, transforming your, your, your commerce posture.

816
00:33:30.865 --> 00:33:34.445
Um, if you think about, you know, some IT leaders

817
00:33:34.445 --> 00:33:37.165
that might be in the, in the audience today listening

818
00:33:37.165 --> 00:33:38.725
to the webinar, reflecting sort

819
00:33:38.725 --> 00:33:41.485
of about their current situations, you know, could you,

820
00:33:41.485 --> 00:33:43.125
could you maybe give them a little bit

821
00:33:43.125 --> 00:33:44.925
of perspective in terms of, you know,

822
00:33:44.985 --> 00:33:47.325
or advice in terms of how they should start to think about,

823
00:33:47.745 --> 00:33:49.045
you know, transformations,

824
00:33:49.065 --> 00:33:51.885
how they should think about potentially going down, uh,

825
00:33:51.965 --> 00:33:53.645
a similar route to, to what you've done?

826
00:33:54.475 --> 00:33:56.455
For sure. So, I, I wanna take us back

827
00:33:56.455 --> 00:33:57.615
to this capability assessment

828
00:33:57.615 --> 00:33:59.135
that I initially started off with.

829
00:33:59.135 --> 00:34:00.255
When I joined the organization,

830
00:34:00.325 --> 00:34:01.775
that was really the first piece.

831
00:34:01.895 --> 00:34:03.175
I had to partner with the business

832
00:34:03.395 --> 00:34:05.095
to really understand what the needs were.

833
00:34:05.475 --> 00:34:07.935
And it was clear that we had reached a, a critical point.

834
00:34:08.235 --> 00:34:10.375
So the next step for me was to put together a process

835
00:34:10.375 --> 00:34:12.095
that quantified the opportunity

836
00:34:12.475 --> 00:34:15.175
and leveraged that assessment that was created to highlight

837
00:34:15.175 --> 00:34:16.175
what the pain points were,

838
00:34:16.645 --> 00:34:18.375
what our employees and our customers were facing.

839
00:34:18.875 --> 00:34:21.815
And this allowed us to really develop a model to determine

840
00:34:21.815 --> 00:34:23.335
what is the ROI going to be

841
00:34:23.755 --> 00:34:27.335
and what needs urgent care, what do we have to focus on?

842
00:34:27.755 --> 00:34:28.975
You know, over the previous decades

843
00:34:29.005 --> 00:34:31.095
that technical debt had mounted

844
00:34:31.095 --> 00:34:33.615
and landed us in a position where our resources were

845
00:34:33.615 --> 00:34:36.015
so overburdened with maintenance on the legacy systems

846
00:34:36.325 --> 00:34:38.015
that they could not focus on innovation.

847
00:34:38.635 --> 00:34:40.895
And even though we had put a lot

848
00:34:40.895 --> 00:34:43.575
of effort into offering these omni-channel experiences,

849
00:34:43.955 --> 00:34:45.455
we struggled with the table stakes.

850
00:34:45.595 --> 00:34:48.175
So that included things like performance and SEO,

851
00:34:48.435 --> 00:34:49.735
and that is not okay,

852
00:34:49.735 --> 00:34:51.495
because it meant that we were falling further

853
00:34:51.595 --> 00:34:53.815
and further behind, despite seeming

854
00:34:53.815 --> 00:34:55.975
to have some more modern experiences available.

855
00:34:56.555 --> 00:34:58.495
It was clear that we needed to make some big moves,

856
00:34:58.995 --> 00:35:00.735
and it wasn't just about the current state,

857
00:35:00.735 --> 00:35:02.615
but it was about where we wanted to be

858
00:35:02.715 --> 00:35:04.655
and that growth trajectory that we were on as well.

859
00:35:05.075 --> 00:35:07.215
So as a business, we set our objectives

860
00:35:07.355 --> 00:35:10.335
and they were to increase efficiency, increase customer

861
00:35:10.335 --> 00:35:12.015
and employee satisfaction as well.

862
00:35:12.435 --> 00:35:13.495
And as a technology

863
00:35:13.495 --> 00:35:17.095
and e-commerce leader, my objectives were scalability, PCI,

864
00:35:17.095 --> 00:35:18.335
compliance and cybersecurity,

865
00:35:18.795 --> 00:35:21.735
and a reasonable cost of ownership, as well as making sure

866
00:35:21.735 --> 00:35:24.375
that we had a partner that was constantly innovating so

867
00:35:24.375 --> 00:35:26.815
that we would never find ourselves in that same position

868
00:35:26.815 --> 00:35:30.535
where something had shifted in the market, for example, um,

869
00:35:30.665 --> 00:35:33.015
let's say sales through social media

870
00:35:33.125 --> 00:35:34.495
that we couldn't tap into.

871
00:35:34.915 --> 00:35:37.285
So this is really where Shopify, you know,

872
00:35:37.395 --> 00:35:38.605
took my attention.

873
00:35:38.955 --> 00:35:40.845
They had been on my radar for quite some time.

874
00:35:41.355 --> 00:35:43.405
I've been in the IT space for over two decades,

875
00:35:43.705 --> 00:35:45.925
and in retail and e-comm for 15 years.

876
00:35:46.425 --> 00:35:48.845
And, you know, it was really about,

877
00:35:49.205 --> 00:35:51.325
I would say eight years back when Shopify started

878
00:35:51.325 --> 00:35:52.765
to impress me with their solutions.

879
00:35:53.765 --> 00:35:55.285
I will share with you all that.

880
00:35:55.545 --> 00:35:58.365
Um, for the past couple of years, we have been using Shopify

881
00:35:58.365 --> 00:36:00.645
to power our warehouse sales at Open Fort at the

882
00:36:00.645 --> 00:36:01.725
Vancouver Convention Center.

883
00:36:02.265 --> 00:36:06.085
And warehouse sales are incredibly intense, you think, lines

884
00:36:06.085 --> 00:36:07.725
of customers, if you've never been to one

885
00:36:07.725 --> 00:36:09.605
that wrapped not only through the building,

886
00:36:09.665 --> 00:36:12.365
but around the building and outside, you've got thousands

887
00:36:12.365 --> 00:36:14.205
of people excited and waiting.

888
00:36:14.395 --> 00:36:17.245
There's this crazy frenzied energy shoppers are looking

889
00:36:17.245 --> 00:36:19.805
for deals and any tools that are going to perform.

890
00:36:20.345 --> 00:36:21.685
Um, with the performance issues

891
00:36:21.685 --> 00:36:24.125
that we were facing on the tech stack that we had, I knew

892
00:36:24.125 --> 00:36:25.965
that I had to make a different choice.

893
00:36:26.225 --> 00:36:27.605
And that choice was Shopify.

894
00:36:28.025 --> 00:36:30.165
We were able to configure the store

895
00:36:30.585 --> 00:36:34.365
and set up 15 lanes in a horseshoe configuration in less

896
00:36:34.365 --> 00:36:36.445
than a day and train our staff in minutes.

897
00:36:36.665 --> 00:36:37.925
And I'm, I'm not kidding about that.

898
00:36:38.265 --> 00:36:40.485
We had seasonal staff and we were able to train them

899
00:36:40.485 --> 00:36:43.125
because the technology is so easy for them to adopt.

900
00:36:43.505 --> 00:36:45.765
It really is very, very straightforward.

901
00:36:46.265 --> 00:36:47.805
Um, over those few intense days,

902
00:36:47.805 --> 00:36:49.965
we processed over a million dollars in transaction

903
00:36:50.105 --> 00:36:53.245
and the entire organization became Shopify fans.

904
00:36:54.065 --> 00:36:56.245
So for two years, this has been, you know,

905
00:36:56.245 --> 00:36:57.565
the warehouse sales solution,

906
00:36:58.065 --> 00:37:00.285
but the question became, you know, why,

907
00:37:00.385 --> 00:37:02.285
why are we not considering this in our stores?

908
00:37:02.505 --> 00:37:06.405
And the, the big, uh, piece that I had to discuss

909
00:37:06.405 --> 00:37:08.085
with the team was, we should be,

910
00:37:08.345 --> 00:37:09.845
and we also need to talk about what

911
00:37:09.845 --> 00:37:11.005
that journey is going to look like.

912
00:37:11.665 --> 00:37:14.845
So the advice that I would share with anyone

913
00:37:14.845 --> 00:37:17.205
that was thinking about taking on an initiative like this

914
00:37:17.425 --> 00:37:18.525
is look inward.

915
00:37:18.525 --> 00:37:22.245
First, assess your internal capabilities, your skills,

916
00:37:22.585 --> 00:37:25.165
and whether or not you are ready, ready with a group

917
00:37:25.165 --> 00:37:26.405
of people that you have to take your

918
00:37:26.405 --> 00:37:27.605
organization to the next level.

919
00:37:28.705 --> 00:37:30.685
Our team is really, really lean at open Fort.

920
00:37:30.785 --> 00:37:33.525
We have a lot of people who are extremely engaged,

921
00:37:33.865 --> 00:37:35.125
but they've never been through an

922
00:37:35.125 --> 00:37:36.525
enterprise transformation before.

923
00:37:37.025 --> 00:37:39.885
And so for me, it was important to find that partner

924
00:37:39.885 --> 00:37:41.405
that was gonna be able to support us.

925
00:37:41.625 --> 00:37:43.445
We, we thought we knew what the technology was,

926
00:37:43.745 --> 00:37:47.965
and then EY Shopify Alliance reinforce that idea.

927
00:37:48.025 --> 00:37:50.725
And the EOI design studio really showed us

928
00:37:50.725 --> 00:37:53.805
that implementation can be a joint effort,

929
00:37:53.865 --> 00:37:55.205
and that they understood who we were

930
00:37:55.835 --> 00:37:57.405
selecting an implementation partner

931
00:37:57.405 --> 00:37:59.085
with a strong bench is instrumental.

932
00:37:59.295 --> 00:38:01.765
Enterprise transformation is not prescriptive.

933
00:38:01.785 --> 00:38:05.085
So one size is not going to sit and fit with everybody.

934
00:38:05.785 --> 00:38:06.925
You can't simply do

935
00:38:06.995 --> 00:38:08.965
what the business down the block is doing.

936
00:38:09.075 --> 00:38:10.965
It's gonna depend on your backend systems,

937
00:38:11.545 --> 00:38:13.925
and you are going to have to make some decisions on

938
00:38:14.025 --> 00:38:16.525
how you want to treat your experiences going forward.

939
00:38:17.225 --> 00:38:19.525
So when you select a partner, it serves

940
00:38:19.525 --> 00:38:21.125
to be really honest about the skills you have,

941
00:38:21.275 --> 00:38:23.365
your capabilities, your bandwidth,

942
00:38:23.625 --> 00:38:25.125
and be sure that your objectives

943
00:38:25.225 --> 00:38:27.765
and differentiators for your business are spelt out.

944
00:38:28.265 --> 00:38:30.605
And also share where you're going to foresee challenges.

945
00:38:30.985 --> 00:38:32.925
It doesn't serve anybody if you just try

946
00:38:32.925 --> 00:38:35.605
to paint this picture of, we're a simple business, we know

947
00:38:35.605 --> 00:38:36.725
what we're doing, we just need

948
00:38:36.725 --> 00:38:38.165
to get this in in four weeks time.

949
00:38:38.665 --> 00:38:41.125
Be honest about what you've got, and let them ask questions

950
00:38:41.125 --> 00:38:42.525
and help probe to determine

951
00:38:42.775 --> 00:38:44.605
where are the challenges going to lie.

952
00:38:45.825 --> 00:38:47.725
Uh, yeah, so, so for me, I mean,

953
00:38:47.725 --> 00:38:50.205
the EY Design Studio has become an extension of the team

954
00:38:50.205 --> 00:38:51.885
for us, and you've done

955
00:38:52.145 --> 00:38:54.845
so much more than just gathering requirements

956
00:38:54.865 --> 00:38:56.085
to help us move through this.

957
00:38:56.185 --> 00:38:57.645
It, it's not a project plan.

958
00:38:58.065 --> 00:38:59.045
It really has been the thought

959
00:38:59.045 --> 00:39:00.325
leadership that has been brought as well.

960
00:39:00.755 --> 00:39:03.565
Your partner should also bring some added value to,

961
00:39:04.235 --> 00:39:06.605
I've been so delighted with the approach that

962
00:39:06.745 --> 00:39:08.925
of you've all taken with us to establish

963
00:39:09.435 --> 00:39:10.765
more than just the requirements.

964
00:39:11.025 --> 00:39:14.685
So for us, we are design led, so we are very,

965
00:39:14.685 --> 00:39:16.445
very aesthetic, and sometimes that means

966
00:39:16.445 --> 00:39:18.245
that we wanna make decisions with our heart.

967
00:39:18.825 --> 00:39:20.805
But the design studio recognized that,

968
00:39:21.145 --> 00:39:24.605
and during the design phase, they even did a customer study

969
00:39:24.665 --> 00:39:27.325
to assess how the design elements on our website were

970
00:39:27.645 --> 00:39:29.045
functioning the existing website,

971
00:39:29.345 --> 00:39:32.965
and also how they were resonating with, um, our, our

972
00:39:33.845 --> 00:39:35.645
customers who are also shopping competitors.

973
00:39:36.515 --> 00:39:39.965
This was going to change how we designed out our navigation

974
00:39:40.025 --> 00:39:41.325
and the full site experience.

975
00:39:41.465 --> 00:39:44.525
And the UI design studio didn't just survey customers.

976
00:39:44.525 --> 00:39:47.125
They actually used a sample that matched our demographics

977
00:39:47.505 --> 00:39:50.525
and partnered with the lab that monitors facial expressions

978
00:39:50.625 --> 00:39:54.125
and eye movement to capture all sorts of learnings about

979
00:39:54.505 --> 00:39:57.045
how engaged people are with the site and what is meaningful.

980
00:39:57.345 --> 00:39:59.005
So that's just an example as

981
00:39:59.005 --> 00:40:01.845
to why you wanna choose a partner that is paying attention.

982
00:40:01.875 --> 00:40:04.005
They're not just taking notes on what your requirements are.

983
00:40:04.195 --> 00:40:06.245
They're understanding who you are as a business

984
00:40:06.505 --> 00:40:09.805
and what it is that you are going to need to understand so

985
00:40:09.805 --> 00:40:12.005
that you can make the right decisions together in

986
00:40:12.005 --> 00:40:13.365
partnership to step forward.

987
00:40:15.185 --> 00:40:19.095
Great. Um, and that's, I've a wonderful overview of,

988
00:40:19.195 --> 00:40:20.895
of sort of your own processes and,

989
00:40:20.895 --> 00:40:22.575
and some of the conversations that we've been obviously,

990
00:40:23.155 --> 00:40:24.735
you know, privy, privy and, and,

991
00:40:24.735 --> 00:40:26.655
and privilege to, to, to, to have

992
00:40:26.655 --> 00:40:27.695
with you and, and be a part of.

993
00:40:28.035 --> 00:40:30.015
Uh, Michael, over to you a little bit, um, when,

994
00:40:30.015 --> 00:40:32.815
when we think about, um, you know, other organizations

995
00:40:32.815 --> 00:40:35.415
that are focused on growing their commerce businesses,

996
00:40:35.475 --> 00:40:38.255
and I use that word, you know, very joyfully,

997
00:40:38.395 --> 00:40:39.575
not e-commerce specifically,

998
00:40:39.595 --> 00:40:42.335
but commerce generally given, uh, some

999
00:40:42.335 --> 00:40:44.335
of the commerce we were just having around unified commerce.

1000
00:40:44.795 --> 00:40:46.575
So when you think about organizations that are looking

1001
00:40:46.575 --> 00:40:48.815
to grow commerce, you know,

1002
00:40:48.845 --> 00:40:50.695
what advice would Shopify offer them?

1003
00:40:51.945 --> 00:40:55.235
Yeah, echoing what Steven said earlier, um, I think if you

1004
00:40:55.375 --> 00:40:58.315
as a, as an organization take a look at your next one

1005
00:40:58.315 --> 00:41:00.235
to three years, and you ask yourself,

1006
00:41:00.545 --> 00:41:02.955
does my technology meet the growth goals

1007
00:41:02.955 --> 00:41:04.195
that I have planned out?

1008
00:41:04.695 --> 00:41:07.435
Um, because as you grow any challenges,

1009
00:41:07.575 --> 00:41:09.555
any time spent doing X, Y, z,

1010
00:41:09.555 --> 00:41:12.515
reconciling manual processes will only be magnified.

1011
00:41:12.935 --> 00:41:15.915
So I think the question to ask yourself is, does I,

1012
00:41:16.015 --> 00:41:18.195
if I don't change anything right now, will I get to

1013
00:41:18.195 --> 00:41:19.355
where I want to be in the future?

1014
00:41:19.545 --> 00:41:22.475
Because commerce retail is very fast paced.

1015
00:41:22.735 --> 00:41:24.195
You don't know what trend's gonna pop up.

1016
00:41:24.195 --> 00:41:26.395
Maybe some new buy online pickup in store

1017
00:41:26.415 --> 00:41:28.795
or a new online tool's gonna pop up,

1018
00:41:28.795 --> 00:41:30.955
and if you don't have the ability to kind of take advantage

1019
00:41:30.955 --> 00:41:32.395
of that, you're gonna be even farther

1020
00:41:32.395 --> 00:41:33.450
behind than you are today.

1021
00:41:33.905 --> 00:41:35.365
So just kind of a, an assessment of

1022
00:41:35.365 --> 00:41:36.405
where you're at versus the future.

1023
00:41:37.535 --> 00:41:39.525
Great. Thanks Michael. Uh, and,

1024
00:41:39.585 --> 00:41:42.445
and Steven, um, you know, generally the same kind

1025
00:41:42.445 --> 00:41:44.805
of question for you, you know, what else needs

1026
00:41:44.805 --> 00:41:47.685
to be said when we think about, you know, offering advice

1027
00:41:47.685 --> 00:41:48.805
to other organizations looking

1028
00:41:48.805 --> 00:41:50.445
to transform their, their commerce posture?

1029
00:41:51.665 --> 00:41:55.445
Um, I guess I have, uh, sort of one big question

1030
00:41:55.905 --> 00:41:56.965
to ask yourself

1031
00:41:57.105 --> 00:42:00.525
and then some, some sub-bullets, uh, under

1032
00:42:00.525 --> 00:42:01.685
that. Um, but I think

1033
00:42:01.685 --> 00:42:03.325
Like, like a true consultant. Perfect.

1034
00:42:04.275 --> 00:42:06.245
Yeah. Um, I, I guess the,

1035
00:42:06.305 --> 00:42:08.925
the big question is really like, are you ready?

1036
00:42:09.155 --> 00:42:11.685
Like, do you really feel that the organization

1037
00:42:11.705 --> 00:42:15.365
and the stakeholders not only know what needs to happen,

1038
00:42:15.705 --> 00:42:18.605
but also knows what the journey is going to look like,

1039
00:42:19.265 --> 00:42:21.525
has the vision and, you know, here's the sub bullets,

1040
00:42:21.705 --> 00:42:25.045
you know, has the vision for the your, your growth ambition,

1041
00:42:25.105 --> 00:42:26.485
has that been crafted?

1042
00:42:26.985 --> 00:42:28.885
Has that been socialized?

1043
00:42:29.385 --> 00:42:32.085
Has it received buy-in from the entire organization?

1044
00:42:32.665 --> 00:42:35.685
Um, has the case for, you know, a replatform

1045
00:42:35.685 --> 00:42:39.125
or a transformation been created with a lens on ROI?

1046
00:42:39.145 --> 00:42:42.005
So are you doing this for the right reasons?

1047
00:42:42.155 --> 00:42:46.325
Like, do you have a ton of staff on your current

1048
00:42:46.965 --> 00:42:50.605
platform doing non-revenue producing activities just

1049
00:42:50.605 --> 00:42:51.645
to manage tech debt?

1050
00:42:51.675 --> 00:42:55.045
Like, that's a good indication of like, how

1051
00:42:55.105 --> 00:42:57.805
to start thinking about, yes, this is a right reason

1052
00:42:57.865 --> 00:42:59.045
to start replatforming.

1053
00:42:59.465 --> 00:43:03.245
Um, how many other projects that dominate the, uh,

1054
00:43:03.245 --> 00:43:06.045
the agenda of other areas of the organization

1055
00:43:06.625 --> 00:43:10.845
are currently in flight when this project would be slated?

1056
00:43:11.065 --> 00:43:13.605
And if you can't find those opportunities to ensure

1057
00:43:13.605 --> 00:43:15.325
that this is a priority project,

1058
00:43:15.915 --> 00:43:19.645
like across the organization, um, then find ways

1059
00:43:19.645 --> 00:43:21.765
to deprioritize other projects

1060
00:43:22.225 --> 00:43:25.805
or find another time to make this project a priority.

1061
00:43:26.265 --> 00:43:28.845
And then lastly, you know, find the partner

1062
00:43:29.115 --> 00:43:30.805
with whom success is shared.

1063
00:43:31.185 --> 00:43:34.605
Um, so when you do that, there's always going

1064
00:43:34.605 --> 00:43:37.805
to be difficult conversations in a months long

1065
00:43:37.805 --> 00:43:39.085
transformation like this,

1066
00:43:40.185 --> 00:43:42.765
but when you have those difficult conversations,

1067
00:43:43.065 --> 00:43:44.925
you wanna know that the partner on the other side

1068
00:43:44.925 --> 00:43:48.165
of the table has your success

1069
00:43:49.025 --> 00:43:51.085
as the, the north star.

1070
00:43:51.545 --> 00:43:54.125
And that all of these discussions are coming from a place

1071
00:43:54.145 --> 00:43:55.525
of wanting the best for each other

1072
00:43:55.945 --> 00:43:57.685
and keeping each other's eyes on the prize.

1073
00:43:58.265 --> 00:44:01.645
And, you know, those, those are really like the, all

1074
00:44:01.925 --> 00:44:05.405
of the things that I would ask myself if I was undergoing,

1075
00:44:05.865 --> 00:44:07.325
um, a transformation like this.

1076
00:44:09.195 --> 00:44:11.175
That's great. I mean, I feel like I'm in therapy.

1077
00:44:11.175 --> 00:44:13.775
That's a, it's a, it's a great, uh, it's a great overview

1078
00:44:13.775 --> 00:44:15.935
of, of our relationship work and,

1079
00:44:16.115 --> 00:44:18.215
and absolutely how, you know, we should be engaging with,

1080
00:44:18.435 --> 00:44:21.095
uh, you know, with with clients on, on these types of, uh,

1081
00:44:21.205 --> 00:44:23.055
this type of work, which is, you know, to,

1082
00:44:23.055 --> 00:44:24.855
to your point earlier, a little bit like open heart surgery

1083
00:44:24.855 --> 00:44:25.735
when we think about, about

1084
00:44:25.735 --> 00:44:26.855
transforming a business like this.

1085
00:44:27.235 --> 00:44:29.575
Um, so with that, we're gonna move into, um,

1086
00:44:29.925 --> 00:44:30.935
some, some q and a.

1087
00:44:31.105 --> 00:44:33.165
We have a couple of questions in the queue and,

1088
00:44:33.165 --> 00:44:35.405
and hopefully some more from, from the audience coming in.

1089
00:44:35.745 --> 00:44:36.805
Um, first question, I'm gonna

1090
00:44:36.805 --> 00:44:37.925
stay with you, Steven, on this one.

1091
00:44:38.105 --> 00:44:41.085
Um, when we think about sort of enterprise transformations,

1092
00:44:41.655 --> 00:44:44.045
we'll, we'll stick with commerce specifically here.

1093
00:44:44.425 --> 00:44:47.885
Um, you know, how do you think about the critical com the,

1094
00:44:47.885 --> 00:44:49.485
the more critical components to consider, right?

1095
00:44:49.665 --> 00:44:52.885
So we have technology, we have internal change management,

1096
00:44:52.885 --> 00:44:55.685
we have the mindset of the, of the executive team,

1097
00:44:55.685 --> 00:44:57.005
the mindset of the customer.

1098
00:44:57.425 --> 00:44:58.765
We have customer experiences.

1099
00:44:59.075 --> 00:45:00.925
Like if you think about all of the different variables,

1100
00:45:01.085 --> 00:45:02.685
I don't know if you can rank stack them,

1101
00:45:02.685 --> 00:45:05.245
but like, you know, how do you think about, um, prioritizing

1102
00:45:05.385 --> 00:45:08.325
or, or solving into, uh, you know, some of those variables

1103
00:45:08.325 --> 00:45:10.365
that, that, that any organization would be thinking about?

1104
00:45:10.945 --> 00:45:14.045
Uh, it's, I don't want to to rank them.

1105
00:45:14.225 --> 00:45:15.645
Uh, it's too hard to rank them,

1106
00:45:15.665 --> 00:45:18.485
but I guess, you know, as I look through that list, I mean,

1107
00:45:18.755 --> 00:45:19.805
they're all connected.

1108
00:45:20.065 --> 00:45:25.005
Um, I, I think what, what an organiza, uh,

1109
00:45:25.005 --> 00:45:28.765
what an organization has, um, is certainly, you know,

1110
00:45:28.945 --> 00:45:31.725
one lens that when we're approaching a project, we have

1111
00:45:31.725 --> 00:45:34.765
to look at, you know, what is their current technology stack

1112
00:45:34.865 --> 00:45:36.125
and what is it doing?

1113
00:45:36.305 --> 00:45:37.885
How are they operating around it?

1114
00:45:38.225 --> 00:45:40.885
How have they structured, you know, their teams around it,

1115
00:45:41.185 --> 00:45:43.965
and is that the point where it's causing the most amount

1116
00:45:43.985 --> 00:45:45.965
of challenge and the most amount of friction

1117
00:45:45.965 --> 00:45:47.365
and the most amount of inefficiency?

1118
00:45:48.305 --> 00:45:51.445
If you contrast that with the customer experience

1119
00:45:51.445 --> 00:45:52.805
that they're trying to create,

1120
00:45:53.905 --> 00:45:56.405
and those friction points are too great,

1121
00:45:56.505 --> 00:45:59.005
and it's not delivering on that customer experience,

1122
00:45:59.555 --> 00:46:01.765
then you've gotta find a way to identify

1123
00:46:02.785 --> 00:46:05.565
how you can retool the technology to reach

1124
00:46:05.565 --> 00:46:07.485
that desired customer experience state,

1125
00:46:08.105 --> 00:46:12.965
or find a way to completely change both sides of the coin.

1126
00:46:13.585 --> 00:46:16.565
Um, internal change management is going to be

1127
00:46:17.385 --> 00:46:21.205
the most important thing once the project gets underway,

1128
00:46:22.075 --> 00:46:26.125
knowing that, you know, you can't just deliver something

1129
00:46:26.665 --> 00:46:28.845
and then think that you're done.

1130
00:46:29.555 --> 00:46:31.325
It's gotta be delivery

1131
00:46:31.865 --> 00:46:34.565
and then ensuring success beyond delivery,

1132
00:46:35.155 --> 00:46:37.885
because that's what long-term relationships are all about.

1133
00:46:38.185 --> 00:46:42.605
And, uh, when I approach these, these kinds of problems,

1134
00:46:43.145 --> 00:46:45.285
it is all about moving at the speed of trust

1135
00:46:45.465 --> 00:46:47.725
and building those really long-term relationships

1136
00:46:48.395 --> 00:46:51.085
through looking at all of those elements

1137
00:46:51.145 --> 00:46:53.165
and making sure that we're all in agreement of

1138
00:46:53.195 --> 00:46:54.485
what is the most important thing.

1139
00:46:55.205 --> 00:46:59.205
Hmm. Uh, j Jen, uh, anything to add to that?

1140
00:46:59.315 --> 00:47:01.805
Just, just kinda curious about your reflections on, on,

1141
00:47:01.865 --> 00:47:02.885
uh, on, on Steven?

1142
00:47:03.515 --> 00:47:04.925
Yeah, I, I fully agree.

1143
00:47:04.945 --> 00:47:06.525
All of these are equally important.

1144
00:47:06.625 --> 00:47:09.245
And what's interesting is they will have a different level

1145
00:47:09.245 --> 00:47:11.365
of importance to different stakeholders on the project.

1146
00:47:11.825 --> 00:47:14.045
So, for example, operations cares deeply

1147
00:47:14.055 --> 00:47:15.205
about change management.

1148
00:47:15.315 --> 00:47:18.125
They care more about that than they do about the new

1149
00:47:18.125 --> 00:47:19.765
innovative things that we're gonna be able to do.

1150
00:47:20.115 --> 00:47:22.605
Marketing team, on the other hand, wants to know about

1151
00:47:22.605 --> 00:47:24.525
what is new and innovative that is going

1152
00:47:24.525 --> 00:47:25.925
to allow us to reach further.

1153
00:47:26.505 --> 00:47:28.925
So this is where having a partner who's able to think

1154
00:47:29.005 --> 00:47:30.565
through all elements critically

1155
00:47:30.625 --> 00:47:33.365
and make sure that they're, you know, really meeting each

1156
00:47:33.365 --> 00:47:35.485
of your stakeholders with the right tone

1157
00:47:35.505 --> 00:47:38.165
and the right response while still elevating the full

1158
00:47:38.165 --> 00:47:39.365
organization is key.

1159
00:47:41.045 --> 00:47:43.785
That's great. Um, so Michael, I've got one for you.

1160
00:47:44.005 --> 00:47:47.385
Um, so when we think about, uh, again, going back

1161
00:47:47.385 --> 00:47:50.065
to unified commerce a little bit, um, you know,

1162
00:47:50.375 --> 00:47:52.385
when you're talking to clients about unified commerce,

1163
00:47:52.385 --> 00:47:54.465
when you talk about the vision that, that Shopify has

1164
00:47:54.465 --> 00:47:58.345
for unified commerce, um, you know, what, you know,

1165
00:47:58.345 --> 00:47:59.785
what resonates most with them?

1166
00:47:59.785 --> 00:48:01.345
What are, what are people most excited about?

1167
00:48:01.935 --> 00:48:04.575
Yeah, I mean, it's a bit of a non-answer,

1168
00:48:04.575 --> 00:48:05.815
but it's almost, it's almost everything.

1169
00:48:05.815 --> 00:48:08.975
Like, I don't know whether a customer will be heavy on the

1170
00:48:09.055 --> 00:48:10.495
B2B side or if they want

1171
00:48:10.495 --> 00:48:13.895
to invest deeply into their online D two C side,

1172
00:48:13.895 --> 00:48:16.575
or maybe it's POS, maybe it's marketplaces.

1173
00:48:16.915 --> 00:48:19.695
So whatever, um, a customer's priorities are

1174
00:48:19.695 --> 00:48:21.575
or whatever they want to grow, we have the

1175
00:48:21.775 --> 00:48:22.935
platform in place to allow that.

1176
00:48:23.355 --> 00:48:27.895
So like any kind of, um, chains on, on a, on a, on a,

1177
00:48:28.075 --> 00:48:30.695
on a customer's growth is completely unchained.

1178
00:48:30.795 --> 00:48:32.455
If you wanna get more specific, I can,

1179
00:48:32.475 --> 00:48:35.415
but it's a non-answer where everything, whether you want

1180
00:48:35.415 --> 00:48:38.015
to go big, small is, uh, is available at Shopify.

1181
00:48:38.015 --> 00:48:40.695
Okay. So I'm gonna, so what are you most excited about?

1182
00:48:40.755 --> 00:48:42.695
So, you know, you're obviously part of the POS team,

1183
00:48:42.755 --> 00:48:45.095
so you might, we might hedge a little bit on that side,

1184
00:48:45.115 --> 00:48:47.215
but try not to hedge too much on that side.

1185
00:48:47.595 --> 00:48:49.775
Um, whatcha most excited about with respect to,

1186
00:48:49.775 --> 00:48:52.215
to Shopify's, uh, sort of strategy around unified commerce?

1187
00:48:52.735 --> 00:48:54.335
I think it's gotta be the international growth.

1188
00:48:54.635 --> 00:48:56.575
Um, I, I sit in North America, I only work

1189
00:48:56.575 --> 00:48:59.175
with North American clients, but we're investing heavily

1190
00:48:59.325 --> 00:49:00.735
into our expansion globally.

1191
00:49:00.835 --> 00:49:03.375
And that's through a product called Markets Pro is

1192
00:49:03.375 --> 00:49:05.735
through our payments and getting, uh, approved

1193
00:49:05.795 --> 00:49:08.095
to Shopify payments all over the world.

1194
00:49:08.715 --> 00:49:11.735
And right now, like in, in the past, like a customer's,

1195
00:49:12.055 --> 00:49:14.895
a client's ability to expand globally would be

1196
00:49:15.155 --> 00:49:16.975
so incredibly hard from a technology standpoint,

1197
00:49:17.045 --> 00:49:19.375
getting teams in those different geos

1198
00:49:19.395 --> 00:49:21.095
and be just so challenging.

1199
00:49:21.115 --> 00:49:23.775
But with Shopify, you can do it all from my

1200
00:49:23.935 --> 00:49:25.015
basement if you really wanted to.

1201
00:49:25.275 --> 00:49:26.735
So that's what I'm super excited about.

1202
00:49:27.875 --> 00:49:30.855
Jen, um, just on that note, I know, I know a bit of, a bit

1203
00:49:30.855 --> 00:49:32.375
of a setup for you to plug sort

1204
00:49:32.375 --> 00:49:34.895
of your international strategy or thinking or international.

1205
00:49:34.895 --> 00:49:37.055
Maybe you can talk a bit about sort of thinking about in

1206
00:49:37.055 --> 00:49:39.695
terms of, um, you know, outside of, uh, north America.

1207
00:49:40.365 --> 00:49:42.855
Yeah, obviously we have our eyes on growing

1208
00:49:43.075 --> 00:49:45.735
internationally in all corners,

1209
00:49:45.955 --> 00:49:49.175
and this is where Shopify has a lot of solutions like

1210
00:49:49.205 --> 00:49:50.895
that are baked into the product

1211
00:49:50.895 --> 00:49:52.295
that are going to support us on that.

1212
00:49:52.355 --> 00:49:54.015
So that includes things like currency,

1213
00:49:54.315 --> 00:49:57.255
it includes like translation capabilities as well.

1214
00:49:57.515 --> 00:50:00.575
And this is a very big step forward that we're going

1215
00:50:00.575 --> 00:50:02.015
to be able to take as we're ready.

1216
00:50:02.395 --> 00:50:03.855
Um, today we have our,

1217
00:50:03.875 --> 00:50:06.495
our customers shopping on our.com website if,

1218
00:50:06.555 --> 00:50:08.455
or sorry, our.ca website if they're

1219
00:50:08.455 --> 00:50:10.335
international.com is US based.

1220
00:50:10.675 --> 00:50:14.255
Um, but going forward we can choose to create an experience

1221
00:50:14.255 --> 00:50:16.255
that is a little bit more straightforward for them

1222
00:50:16.515 --> 00:50:18.895
and allow them to select the currencies that they're seeing,

1223
00:50:19.275 --> 00:50:21.855
you know, that is going to help ease any friction points

1224
00:50:21.855 --> 00:50:23.095
because they'll be able to recognize

1225
00:50:23.095 --> 00:50:24.175
what is the price they're paying.

1226
00:50:24.555 --> 00:50:26.135
And then of course, there are plenty of tools

1227
00:50:26.135 --> 00:50:28.830
that can be plugged in, in very easily within the ecosystem

1228
00:50:29.065 --> 00:50:31.245
to also even help offset what is duties

1229
00:50:31.345 --> 00:50:33.085
and customs going to look like as well.

1230
00:50:33.425 --> 00:50:34.485
And having the capability

1231
00:50:34.505 --> 00:50:36.805
to open a pop-up shop internationally

1232
00:50:36.805 --> 00:50:39.125
and start seeding the market is also very,

1233
00:50:39.195 --> 00:50:40.205
very exciting for us.

1234
00:50:40.625 --> 00:50:43.685
Um, to share a little bit today, when we open a new store,

1235
00:50:43.795 --> 00:50:45.965
sometimes it takes greater than four

1236
00:50:45.965 --> 00:50:47.605
or six weeks to get our payment devices,

1237
00:50:47.825 --> 00:50:50.365
not Shopify payments, another provider, uh, in place.

1238
00:50:50.585 --> 00:50:54.965
And that is extremely slow with Shopify payments,

1239
00:50:55.185 --> 00:50:57.125
you can literally have your device

1240
00:50:57.345 --> 00:50:59.285
and link it to your store and you're ready to go.

1241
00:50:59.385 --> 00:51:01.365
And that's exactly what we've seen with the warehouse sales.

1242
00:51:01.465 --> 00:51:04.765
So we know that we're gonna be able to have that flexibility

1243
00:51:04.905 --> 00:51:07.365
to be anywhere that we wanna be, to sell anywhere

1244
00:51:07.365 --> 00:51:09.325
that we wanna sell, to have pop-up events

1245
00:51:09.465 --> 00:51:12.285
to experiment without having to go all in

1246
00:51:12.315 --> 00:51:13.845
with really expensive plays.

1247
00:51:14.345 --> 00:51:17.405
And then of course, the scalability too includes everything

1248
00:51:17.405 --> 00:51:20.845
that is in the Shopify app store in terms of different tools

1249
00:51:20.845 --> 00:51:23.125
that can help unlock appropriate experiences

1250
00:51:23.505 --> 00:51:24.885
for our customers and allow us

1251
00:51:24.885 --> 00:51:27.765
to really personalize the experiences going forward based

1252
00:51:27.785 --> 00:51:28.925
on their regions too.

1253
00:51:30.915 --> 00:51:34.345
Great. Um, so again, staying, I mean, there's a lot

1254
00:51:34.345 --> 00:51:35.425
of energy around unified commerce,

1255
00:51:35.425 --> 00:51:36.825
so I'm gonna stay with that one for, for a little bit.

1256
00:51:36.825 --> 00:51:38.025
And Michael, this is over to you.

1257
00:51:38.405 --> 00:51:42.625
Um, you know, when we think about, uh, you know,

1258
00:51:42.815 --> 00:51:46.145
omnichannel today versus unified in the future, um,

1259
00:51:46.725 --> 00:51:48.945
you know, tracking online visits

1260
00:51:49.015 --> 00:51:50.825
that end up converting offline

1261
00:51:50.825 --> 00:51:52.825
or in-store is, is super challenging.

1262
00:51:53.365 --> 00:51:55.825
Is there anything that you can talk about relative to,

1263
00:51:55.965 --> 00:51:59.585
to work that Shopify's doing, to basically sort

1264
00:51:59.585 --> 00:52:02.505
of provide insight into, you know, clients that,

1265
00:52:02.535 --> 00:52:06.025
that maybe have, um, you know, explored a product

1266
00:52:06.045 --> 00:52:08.865
or service online that ends up converting in store.

1267
00:52:08.865 --> 00:52:10.025
Like, is there, is there anything that kind

1268
00:52:10.025 --> 00:52:11.025
of links those two?

1269
00:52:11.365 --> 00:52:14.785
Um, you know, I, I guess, uh, browsing profiles and,

1270
00:52:14.785 --> 00:52:17.825
and purchasing profiles, uh, within the context of Shopify.

1271
00:52:18.605 --> 00:52:20.825
Um, you know, I, I've mentioned it a few times,

1272
00:52:20.845 --> 00:52:23.625
but the buy online pickup in store I think would be a,

1273
00:52:23.665 --> 00:52:25.025
a good tool for online stores.

1274
00:52:25.025 --> 00:52:26.065
Like you can have the ability

1275
00:52:26.085 --> 00:52:27.625
to purchase online, pick up in store.

1276
00:52:27.625 --> 00:52:30.265
That's kind of a unified commerce conversion.

1277
00:52:30.645 --> 00:52:32.825
On the flip side, Shopify point of sale has the ability

1278
00:52:32.825 --> 00:52:36.185
to create a cart, create a customer profile in store,

1279
00:52:36.525 --> 00:52:38.305
and then send it back to the customer,

1280
00:52:38.325 --> 00:52:39.585
and that customer can go home

1281
00:52:39.805 --> 00:52:41.985
and then check out online like they would initially.

1282
00:52:42.125 --> 00:52:45.305
So tracking the actual conversions between the two is,

1283
00:52:45.305 --> 00:52:47.425
is a bit difficult, but there are ways to kind

1284
00:52:47.425 --> 00:52:49.105
of get intent in that way.

1285
00:52:49.105 --> 00:52:52.305
There's a bit more method to, uh, to converting customers.

1286
00:52:52.695 --> 00:52:54.105
Yeah. And, and Shopify,

1287
00:52:54.125 --> 00:52:56.425
or sorry, Shopify, Steven, you,

1288
00:52:56.445 --> 00:52:57.425
do you have a perspective there as

1289
00:52:57.425 --> 00:52:58.225
well? I think, I think you might.

1290
00:52:58.695 --> 00:53:01.585
Yeah. I mean, there's, there's definitely areas, uh,

1291
00:53:01.735 --> 00:53:06.065
that fall outside of Shopify that, um, would sort

1292
00:53:06.065 --> 00:53:10.065
of allow an organization to understand how, uh, a visit

1293
00:53:10.065 --> 00:53:12.545
to the website has created attribution

1294
00:53:12.545 --> 00:53:14.025
to an offline purchase.

1295
00:53:14.605 --> 00:53:18.585
Um, I think primarily one of the key ways of doing that is

1296
00:53:19.545 --> 00:53:23.745
identifying the, the customer at the point of sale, um,

1297
00:53:23.815 --> 00:53:25.410
through loyalty programs.

1298
00:53:25.410 --> 00:53:27.605
This is a great idea or unique coupon codes

1299
00:53:27.605 --> 00:53:31.685
and offers, uh, that are unique to be redeemable in store.

1300
00:53:32.145 --> 00:53:35.285
Um, so you can then create that digital profile

1301
00:53:35.285 --> 00:53:38.725
of a customer who was, who did visit the digital channel,

1302
00:53:38.865 --> 00:53:40.645
and then, you know, use made

1303
00:53:40.645 --> 00:53:41.725
the purchase on a loyalty program.

1304
00:53:42.345 --> 00:53:45.005
Um, there's also, you know, geotargeting and,

1305
00:53:45.025 --> 00:53:46.165
and footfall analytics.

1306
00:53:46.665 --> 00:53:50.405
Um, so you can create campaigns when customers are

1307
00:53:50.995 --> 00:53:52.085
near a physical store

1308
00:53:52.265 --> 00:53:54.365
and then analyze that foot traffic data

1309
00:53:54.425 --> 00:53:56.045
to see if there's an uptick in visits

1310
00:53:56.395 --> 00:53:57.765
following those campaigns.

1311
00:53:58.145 --> 00:54:02.205
Um, so you can really see how that digital channel is

1312
00:54:02.765 --> 00:54:05.765
contributing or assisting those, uh, those,

1313
00:54:05.765 --> 00:54:07.165
those offline purchases.

1314
00:54:07.585 --> 00:54:08.805
Um, and then, you know,

1315
00:54:08.805 --> 00:54:10.605
finally an omnichannel tracking solution.

1316
00:54:10.745 --> 00:54:13.365
Uh, and just really by integrating with that point of sale,

1317
00:54:13.435 --> 00:54:16.205
with online analytics, you can really start to understand

1318
00:54:16.205 --> 00:54:18.885
that customer journey from all of the different channels

1319
00:54:18.885 --> 00:54:21.125
and where that attribution lies, um,

1320
00:54:21.345 --> 00:54:23.645
and then how that leads to a physical store purchase.

1321
00:54:25.815 --> 00:54:26.955
So, so last question.

1322
00:54:27.135 --> 00:54:29.515
Uh, again, sticking with you, uh, Steve, uh,

1323
00:54:29.515 --> 00:54:31.795
we have a question from the audience around just, you know,

1324
00:54:32.215 --> 00:54:36.555
how involved the design studio typically is when it comes

1325
00:54:36.575 --> 00:54:38.155
to work like this.

1326
00:54:38.335 --> 00:54:42.595
So obviously, you know, ey a very large firm, you know, lots

1327
00:54:42.595 --> 00:54:44.675
of work that we do, um, both, you know,

1328
00:54:44.675 --> 00:54:47.795
technical hands-on keyboards implementation work, as well

1329
00:54:47.795 --> 00:54:51.355
as strategy work, you know, wanna know, you know, how, how,

1330
00:54:51.455 --> 00:54:53.635
how, how would the design studio really get involved?

1331
00:54:53.635 --> 00:54:56.715
Or how, how are we getting involved with, uh, with respect

1332
00:54:56.715 --> 00:54:58.435
to OK Andfor and other transformations like this?

1333
00:54:59.235 --> 00:55:01.615
Um, as involved as we need to be?

1334
00:55:01.795 --> 00:55:04.535
Um, the, the bottom line is that we love to help.

1335
00:55:05.115 --> 00:55:07.575
And if an organization is well on their way

1336
00:55:07.595 --> 00:55:10.775
and they just need support for implementation, um,

1337
00:55:11.155 --> 00:55:12.215
we can help there.

1338
00:55:12.415 --> 00:55:16.015
I, I mean, ideally we love building these relationships

1339
00:55:16.085 --> 00:55:19.575
that start from these big problems that need to be solved

1340
00:55:20.155 --> 00:55:22.615
and create the strategy with our clients

1341
00:55:22.755 --> 00:55:26.015
and work with our clients to deliver, uh, a plan

1342
00:55:26.015 --> 00:55:30.015
that we are both behind, uh, up to deployment

1343
00:55:30.075 --> 00:55:32.055
and then helping them with managed services.

1344
00:55:32.555 --> 00:55:35.615
Um, so we're, we're in it for the long haul

1345
00:55:35.635 --> 00:55:38.615
or the short haul, uh, depending on, you know, where

1346
00:55:38.615 --> 00:55:40.975
that customer needs the most help.

1347
00:55:41.955 --> 00:55:45.135
Um, and then obviously, you know, the design studio

1348
00:55:46.275 --> 00:55:50.175
can also bring in the power of, you know, a global, uh,

1349
00:55:50.175 --> 00:55:54.735
organization like EY to, you know, at various points

1350
00:55:55.435 --> 00:55:58.575
to help the organization, you know, tackle some challenges

1351
00:55:58.575 --> 00:56:01.655
that go beyond the scope of potentially the design studio.

1352
00:56:03.225 --> 00:56:07.565
That's great. Um, and we are literally four minutes, uh,

1353
00:56:07.565 --> 00:56:09.725
before the hour, so we're gonna, um,

1354
00:56:10.135 --> 00:56:11.765
we're gonna end it there.

1355
00:56:12.145 --> 00:56:14.885
Uh, a a real huge thanks to the audience for,

1356
00:56:14.905 --> 00:56:18.565
for making the time for, for this particular conversation,

1357
00:56:19.025 --> 00:56:20.405
uh, for listening to our panelists.

1358
00:56:20.865 --> 00:56:23.765
Jen, uh, just a, a huge thank you you to, to you

1359
00:56:23.765 --> 00:56:26.925
and to Oaken fort for, um, for coming along this journey

1360
00:56:26.925 --> 00:56:28.765
with us and for, for, for working with us.

1361
00:56:28.785 --> 00:56:31.245
You've been, I kid you not like a

1362
00:56:31.245 --> 00:56:32.805
dream, a dream partner here.

1363
00:56:32.965 --> 00:56:34.605
I know Steven and I talk a lot about just

1364
00:56:34.605 --> 00:56:37.045
how much we value our relationship with you, uh, Michael

1365
00:56:37.265 --> 00:56:39.325
and, and Shopify, just, uh,

1366
00:56:39.425 --> 00:56:42.485
and outstanding partner, love the alliance

1367
00:56:42.745 --> 00:56:44.445
and love the work that we do together.

1368
00:56:44.465 --> 00:56:46.365
And, and there's a lot more that we do outside

1369
00:56:46.365 --> 00:56:47.765
of Oakland Ford, obviously that, uh,

1370
00:56:47.765 --> 00:56:49.085
that we would love to talk more about.

1371
00:56:49.585 --> 00:56:52.005
Um, but, but, uh, just really thank you again

1372
00:56:52.005 --> 00:56:53.245
to the Shopify team and to you, Michael,

1373
00:56:53.345 --> 00:56:54.485
for, for your, your support.

1374
00:56:54.515 --> 00:56:56.525
Stephen, it's always a pleasure hanging out with you and,

1375
00:56:56.545 --> 00:56:58.005
and getting into some of the weeds here.

1376
00:56:58.625 --> 00:57:00.965
Uh, so look forward to many more of these types

1377
00:57:00.965 --> 00:57:02.485
of conversations in, in the, in the future.

1378
00:57:02.865 --> 00:57:04.285
Um, for the audience, uh,

1379
00:57:04.285 --> 00:57:06.685
if you wanna learn more about Shopify

1380
00:57:06.865 --> 00:57:10.365
and the EY Alliance, just go to EY do com,

1381
00:57:11.395 --> 00:57:14.005
shopify ey com, Shopify.

1382
00:57:14.065 --> 00:57:15.405
You have all the information you

1383
00:57:15.405 --> 00:57:16.565
need to get in touch with us.

1384
00:57:16.565 --> 00:57:18.645
Thank you again everyone, and have a great day.